Sunday, July 1, 2001
Bravo man... really, I "applaud" you. You've been successful in deleting a few quotes and memories from OliverWEB. Great job, really. I don't know if I could have done it better myself.
I could just email this to you, but I know you'll read it here. I've got nothing to hide, perhaps you do? I could very well go through every strand of OliverWEB and take off every reference of you... how would you like that? I won't... I'll be the bigger man right now. I won't lower myself to your level. Getting pissed yet? You have a problem with that. Read on. Perhaps you should think through things a bit more before you actually do things. That's a novel idea, think. Wow.
You need help man, I'm sorry... I don't think I can anymore. Perhaps you've forgotten all the times I've tried. After all this, do you still not see clearly, are you still all tangled up in your pride? Wow, you're 18 now... that makes you a man, right? Yeah, just like how wearing that black belt makes you a super cool martial arts dude. Let me tell you something. And make sure you listen and understand, because you've probably had some trouble thinking lately. It means nothing. Nothing at all. Think you're a man? Can handle your own life? Deep within, you're not a man, you're a whining little brat foul mouthing every person around him because things didn't go your way.
Stop trying to control people... you can't, you won't, and you'll only end up screwing your own life up while hurting others in the process. Am I pissed right now? Yes. Another congratulations to you man, you got Oliver mad. Few have been able to achieve that task. That make you the best? The smartest dude ever? Give me a break. You didn't even "hack" into OliverWEB. You *knew* my quote page password... that's smart thinking there, let me tell you. You broke a trust, have I ever broken a trust to hurt you?
Perhaps you weren't the one who messed with the page? Let's look into this, shall we? You knew my password. It was a few days/hours (I don't know, I was in Dallas) after I erased your account(s) on OliverWEB, so you have a motive. "To each his own..." has you written all over it. Perhaps it wasn't you? No, scratch that idea.
I urge you to look within yourself and see how truly twisted you are right now. There's a song that goes "humble thyself in the sight of the Lord"... maybe you've sung it before? You should listen to the words from your own mouth. Really, you should. I said I was mad, but do I hate you? No, I will never hate you no matter what you do. I am sorry for you, I'm sorry our friendship has gotten to become like this, I'm sorry there is no friendship anymore.
May God be with you and open your eyes. You'll need Him.
-To the others reading this, please don't add any "scolding" in the comments. Let this be.
-Oliver
| 84 - Minix Tuesday, October 1, 2002 N/A (66.136.200.225 ) oh... um in that sense it's not a horrible thing... its a horrible thing in my opinion that others would give them reason to do that... |
| 82 - Minix Tuesday, September 24, 2002 N/A (66.136.200.225 ) lol dangit, I want to know! Agh... I'll probably just call you tomorrow, I want to know what you jumped the gun on or whatever. Ya I haven't seen much of anyone either... except people at work. Jobs fun but dang it takes a lot of time, and all my other time is completely sucked up by school Ahwell, it's all fun and good, and flying by a little toooo quickly. |
| 81 - Ochs Monday, September 23, 2002 N/A (192.35.232.241 ) Yeah.. I know I haven't been by.. in fact.. I really haven't seen much of anybody lately. Nor have I really had the time to talk to people much. I am way busy with work, school, church, and then SLEEP! Yeah...I'll explain about that thing another time. Too complicated on here.. and besides.. I think I jumped the gun on something anyways....aight.. we'll catch ya lataz! =) |
| 80 - Minix Sunday, September 22, 2002 N/A (66.141.42.120 ) I'm thinking I should have some clue what that means... but I don't... I have no idea how to respond to it... ahwell I'll ask you about it later. Ya I'll take the bet, if a response takes 4 weeks, then it probably wont hit 100 for a year... Someones banging something outside my apartment... idiots... ahwell... nm, its a walkie talkie I accidentally brought home from work... guess i'm the idiot... lalalaaaaaaaaaaaaa so far none of you have come to see apartment... Well Christine has, but I dont think she'd ever see this. And Erika too but same deal... ok tata |
| 79 - Ochs Thursday, August 29, 2002 N/A (192.35.232.241 ) Wanna make a bet? MWAHAHAHAHAHA! School started yesterday... and yeah.. it sucks.... =( BTW... as a side note: how do you feel about people doing something, but then totally playing it off because they don't want to hurt their image in the eyes of others...just a RANDOM thot if ya know what I mean. WINK! ;-) |
| 78 - Minix Tuesday, August 27, 2002 N/A (66.136.201.147 ) yeah, just have one of us come back every other month, when we're curious if the other one ever responded to our last one... at this rate though we wont hit 100 for a year... |
| 77 - Ochs Wednesday, August 21, 2002 N/A (192.35.232.241 ) Good idea.. whenever a little time goes by.. and we think we forget... we just randomly come back here, just like I did now...lol.. anyways.. hope everyone is doing well wherever they are right now...lol bye byez =) |
| 76 - Minix Sunday, July 28, 2002 N/A (66.25.197.253 ) I think Alex once said that this post was going to hit 100... and it never did... we should make it hit 100 matt =) |
| 75 - Ochs Friday, July 12, 2002 N/A (192.35.232.241 ) Ya know... I remember quite well the day I saw this post from Oliver, and thought, oh boy, what the heck did I get myself into now, then when everyone started writing all this crap, I felt really responsible for everything getting out of control, but I held back, and did not respond once. I thought it was pretty interesting how "BIG" the topic of me really was. Of course I was not proud of it, but nevertheless, it was interesting. Now...since a LONG time has gone by, I figured I would return to the scene of the crime and read up on the past while finally adding a post. Funny finding you here Minix. And also funny how it wasn't that long ago that you were here. Anyways, in case anyone ever does come here that actually posted stuff below, I just wanna say that I am glad things got worked out for the most part, and that I am glad we are all for the most part friends now. Laterz! =) |
| 74 - Minix Friday, June 21, 2002 N/A (66.25.197.227 ) I don't know why i'm here... felt like looking back on the past i guess, and this was the most memorable thing i could think of... heh, lala, glad things aren't the way they were then =) amazed at immaturity level... ahwell, lot better now, =) lala... hm, i'm betting no one sees this for a long time if ever... makes writing this feel stupid... i've written other stupid stuff on this website that i dont think people ever found, lalalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, alright, i go now. Some interesting quotes in here though... interesting to look back on with different perspectives... hmmm... makes one think. |
| 73 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (192.35.232.99 ) oliver you need to start a new thread... unless of course, you WANT this thread to hit 100 follow-ups. |
| 72 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (192.35.232.99 ) i think the proggie that you want is called Maya... it's what pros use to animate and edit video... but of course, i can't seem to find a version of it on any warez sites... maybe you could get me a copy from your specialty warez oliver? :) |
| 71 - Olivia Wednesday, July 11, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) *Sigh* I want to see FF too.. but... guess not =) That's ok, i'll see it when it's not so busy |
| 70 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 n/a (192.35.232.99 ) uh...how are you like me van? you going to UT EE too? or the animation deal? well anyways, it's cool that you're like me.... yea oliver the eye candy was fricken genius... the plot was kinda cool, it was a really dark movie if ya know what i mean. dialogue was kinda cheesy. but who cares the animation was awesome and the digitized woman actually looked somewhat hot. :) i think the beginning's the best part of the movie, cuz that's when it looks the best... towards the end you stop noticing all the pretty pictures and focus on the story...but anyways, i'll let you decide how you like the movie... :) i think i'm going to see it again tonite. |
| 69 - sean Wednesday, July 11, 2001 N/A (192.35.232.99 ) I dont know, i think he said that guy works for pixar or something. I had never seen the thing but all the other people in the room for comp sci had. |
| 68 - Oliver Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Cool, that animation available anywhere on the net? |
| 67 - Van Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (144.189.248.170 ) Greetings. I am like you, Alex. Email me sometime. |
| 66 - sean Wednesday, July 11, 2001 N/A (192.35.232.99 ) they had this cool part of computer science at atm, its kind of like a minor, like you specialize in something. anyways, there is one option where you try to get ready to do this program that atm offers as graduate studies, where you learn how to program movies graphics and stuff like that. Its supposed to be really competitve to get into, but if that is what you wanna do you should go look into it. The program is part of the architecture colleg (dont ask me why) but its all comp sci and ee stuff. The comp sci guy told us all the guys out of it get hired like immedialty by disney and pixar and all those type of companies. He was tlaking about one guy who wrote the program that did this little animation where two guys are playing chess or something and they have all these different expressions on their faces. It was supposed to show how to do al the expressions that could be in some movie, but the guy ened up winning like an academy award for the little animation. The whole program sounded pretty cool. You should look into it. I was thinking about doing that program/minor thing where they try to get you into the graphics stuff but I dont know. |
| 65 - Oliver Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Sweet, you got advance tickets... nice. =) I'm seeing it tonight... Yeah, UT and Comp. Sci... thinking about goin to EE/ECE though... we'll see... So, movie was good? Plot wise? I know eye candy will be awesome, just wondering about story - don't give anything away though. =) |
| 64 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 n/a (192.35.232.99 ) Electrical Engineering... how characteristic of the asian male huh? so what's your major? you're going to UT right? i want to be involved with computer animation when i get through college... to make something like the final fantasy movie that's coming out today, which i just happened to get tickets to the advance screening of :) GO SEE THE MOVIE IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU. |
| 63 - Oliver Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Nah, I haven't played that much, so the history is unknown to me... Going to UT, eh? What major? |
| 62 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 n/a (192.35.232.99 ) i play....enough :) but i believe i can safely say that i'm an addict. i've been playing since beta 2 if know anything about the history of cs... i think the game ruined my junior year of high school and probably screwed me for life since i'm stuck going to UT... bleah. |
| 61 - Oliver Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Very well, although I can't delete stuff on here from work... and it's such a hassle. =) How often do you play CS? A lot? |
| 60 - alex Wednesday, July 11, 2001 n/a (192.35.232.99 ) hey let's not be dicks to each other anymore... do something mature and delete any new threads relating to matt. i think it's evident that you're mad at him. but personally, i don't really want to know how mad. so how 'bout we move on to a lighter discussion eh? like if we're ever gonna go out for lunch so we can meet and beat each other up in real life. :) |
| 59 - Olivia Wednesday, July 11, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) oh yeah.. i appreciate the thought, but i don't need the slack. =D |
| 58 - Olivia Wednesday, July 11, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Ah... I resent that "little" 15 year old girl thing... I'm 16 soon ^.^ YAY!!! Blah. =) Okay, not soon, but... I'm not little =( Just short =) |
| 57 - Oliver Wednesday, July 11, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Heh, sorry Sarah. =) I just want to make a couple more points, which I hope won't spawn a whole new arguement, but I want to make it anyways. =) "I commented on this board because you guys are accusing matt of things he didnt do... the only thing I accused your brother of was assuming matt does these things, which was way out of line." The only thing I accused Ochs of initially "publicly" was deleting the quotes on the quote page, which no one has denied. Thus, by your defintion, I was not "out of line" when you originally commented. And, I don't believe I was ever out of line. "i just want to let you, olivia, that matt has held nothing back from us" How can you possibly KNOW that Matt has held nothing back from you? You yourself said you've only known him for 3 weeks, so even if he told you things "as it happened" it would only be a handful of things. No doubt he's probably told you a few things from the past, but again, you can't possibly know he's told you everything and KNOW that he's being totally honest. From your comments and accusations, you cannot possibly know everything there is to know about this whole situation. I'd like to go to lunch and laugh. =) How's Friday sound? And instead of McD, Quizno's? And give Olivia a bit of slack, after all, she's just a little 15-year-old girl. ;) |
| 56 - Sarah Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (63.232.116.99 ) Woah, this like makes me depressed and stuff... Oliverweb's not supposed to get all mean like that.... |
| 55 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Yeah, password thing... I've been meaning to take it off... because I really don't have a reason for it anymore... which is why I don't care if other people give it away... Lunch at McD's sounds alright, I suppose I'll ask Van what he wants to do and when... we can talk about what Van and I do then... might as well save something to talk about. =) |
| 54 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (216.30.71.6 ) oh yeah. maybe you should not have your friends posting the pass to your page on their pages (i was looking at the friends sites.) Otherwise the pass is kind of useless. |
| 53 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (216.30.71.6 ) all right cool man. van is working at motorola too right? I saw his bro at ibm. they look so much alike. not really face, but they way they carry themselves. we could like meet at that new mcdonalds one day. What all are you doing this summer man? For me its like sometimes we're busy and othertimes there will be nothing to do. ill tell you I can install linux like nobody's business. Have you done your ut orientation yet? Your doing comp sci i assume. I got like 15 hours and taking a java class first semester. Well this post is looking more and more like I should have just sent an email. Im not gonna say anything else about the whole ochs thing because you and minix and olivia take what I say all wrong. (Olivia especially feels some deep need to keep trying to refute me over and over and over again.) [email protected] (yes there is no e) Talk to you later. |
| 52 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Lunch sounds cool, [email protected] - email me or call - 996-4837 |
| 51 - Minix Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) I'm still curious, what was the Ochs threatening me? What was that about? =) just wondering |
| 50 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Sorry to bring it up again, btw... I should've just left it at that... let Sean have the last word... but that's now who I am.. sorry again (actually, not that sorry, I just want to express my opinions, and if Ochs is reading this... grow up and stop spreading your life around to others) |
| 49 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Sean, okay, we just kind of "resolved" it kinda on Oliverweb, then you became childish and stuff and brought it up again! And besides, Sean, you're the one who brought this up in the first place by posting your comment, was that not childish? I think this is very childish, of Ochs. Quotes page? Uh huh... right. But oh well, Think what you want Sean, and we'll think what we want to (ur thinking can't hurt me)... we'll see who's right in the end. cyo |
| 48 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.27.59.56 ) hi. don't think i'm a hater just cuz i post stupid things on oliverweb. |
| 47 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (216.30.71.6 ) Minix, olivia, and whoever else wants to blame people for things they have no proof about: You guys are being childish again. "Oh mommy he broke my toy, I know he did it, who else would?" Give me a break. Now on to something else. Oliver and Van we need to go have lunch sometime man. I havent seen yall all summer. Get zerik too, he told me he was really bored at motorola this summer. For those of yall who dont know alex is another intern from my department. The other day we ate with like chris n and briana and andrew. We need to have like a giant lunch day or something. I seriously have a feeling all of you will grow up and laugh at how ridiculous this whole "incident" is. On all yalls parts. Hows the communist thing going Oliver? Talk to you later. Sean aka Mr S aka ICEMAN |
| 45 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Lol, all silliness now =) Cool, we need silliness =D |
| 44 - Brick Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) Oh and to make my quotes spicier...*&^%...S#$%...@*%....MON$%#@...you spooty bards! |
| 43 - Brook Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) And ifan you wannna wrassle....3 o'clock...flagpole after school...i am gonna go get my big brother. |
| 42 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Anyways... good night Ochs-goonies, cya tomorrow. =) |
| 41 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) At this time, I would like to sing a song. I wanna be.. the very best! ...like no one ever was... to catch them is my true test... to train them is my cause!!! POKEMON!!! Gotta catch them aaaallll... |
| 40 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Half-Life/CS? I play occasionally, mostly at LAN parties and randomly at times when I get bored... And you know what?!? I'M JUST JOKING!!! APRIL FOOLS!!! Heh... I wish. =) POOOCHIIE POWER!!!! Smoot marph. |
| 39 - Brook Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) BIG AMERICAN PAAAAARTY!!! YOU SO STUIPID...NO CHANGE...YOU LEAVE BUFFET...YOU TOOO FAT!! brick is good .... troy aikman supports acme bricks....hes gonna throw you down town...where do you go when your all alone...] downtown i feel interupted... Maybe i will raid some tombs |
| 37 - Van Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) *rose hits the ground...cue the j-pop* I make my appearance. *applause* TuxedoVan!!!! |
| 36 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 oh (192.35.232.99 ) hey oliver i heard you play half-life... let's counter-strike sometime eh? S |< 0 \/\/ T 0 W n 3 r Z j 0 0 |
| 35 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) I thought you were out Alex! But anyway, I'm not even on my computer. |
| 34 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Well, if Ochs is gonna talk about me or any of us, why don't he talk to us face to face? And besides, I dont' even want to talk to him face to face because I can not stand to risk seeing his fake tears. And I do NOT want to work things out with Ochs because, I thought we had worked them out already. He knows how I feel about him, the end. If he's holding onto the past too tight, then fine. Sorry Alex, I didn't see your post until I finished typing mine. I don't mean to bring you in =) And I know you don't know me, I dont' know you and I'm sure we would've gotten along (as everybody on here) much better if not for this. So sorry for bringin you into this (actually, u brought urself... that wasn't meant to offend) soo... I'm out |
| 33 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 ... (192.35.232.99 ) somebody unplug olivia's computer... she's tearin the place down. |
| 32 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 hey wait a sec.... (192.35.232.99 ) i thought i said i was done... that means leave me alone. ya know olivia, if you're gonna talk smack about matt, say it to his face, and not through a response to me... cuz remember, you don't know me i don't know you what do you care about me I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. heyyy i can sound mean too on the internet. hey oliver your sis is a pretty tough girl... i commend you for at least trying to keep your head out of this. besides, this is purely a matt/olivia problem. if they gots issues, they needs to goes fixes thems. gosh work is boring today. look how i've spent my free time... and NO, i do not hate you all!!!! tis merely a figure of speech! and why is your name brick? |
| 31 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) No, no Brook... I'm fine where Ochs is right now I think... MOVING ON with his own life. |
| 30 - Brook Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) where are you ochs....its been a while since i said hi.... |
| 29 - Brick Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) you hate us all....simper simper...why...i don't even know you...that is sad....oh well |
| 28 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Alex, well.. you say that Ochs hasn't held anything against you, that didn't answer my question. Did you, or did you not hear from Ochs about the karate incident..., him lying to me about "only liking me" and me being the fool girl I was believing him... Maybe I do think, alex, that you don't know Ochs for very long. When I first met him, I thought he was nice and all. Like Matt said, I should've seen through the crazy stuff he was doing to Sarah H. But anyway... I've known Ochs a lot longer.. he's the kind of person you have to know for a long while to really see... I'm not blaming you at all =) Because... of course.. I was "fooled" at first too... but... I really believe he was the one who gets on my sister's screen name, I don't see anybody else who would, do you? I forgot who, but either you or Sean or both talk about how we need to end this, we need to move on right? Well.. if about 60% of the time, Ochs is talking about how we all "used" to be friends, he's not moving on so well is he? Maybe you guys need to talk to HIM about moving on, hm? Sigh... I'm sorry, but... yeah... this all has gone way out of hand... and maybe if Ochs is telling you guys all of this stuff... being so sad about our friendship and whatever junk he's saying... where is he in all of this? Or are you guys his little messengers? Not that I'm asking for him to post anything, I'm just curious. Oh well, it doesn't matter and I could care less, I just hate seeing people believing the wrong thing so strongly. btw... Oliver is not treating Ochs like crap... he's treating Ochs just as he deserves.. in my opinion |
| 26 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 lakhga;khwg (192.35.232.99 ) third time's a charm. please delete my presence from your board, oliver. i don't know you, and you don't me so what do i matter to you. i'm done. i hate you all. join me for a bong hit and maybe we can be friends. later yall. |
| 25 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 ah well (192.35.232.99 ) i'm done. i hate you all. join me for a bong hit and maybe we can be friends. later yall. |
| 24 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 ah well (192.35.232.99 ) i'm done. i hate you all. join me for a bong hit and maybe we can be friends. later yall. |
| 23 - Minix Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) lala, ok, on NINH... 4 people had the pw to the account. Me, Chad, Oliver, and Ochs... thats all that ever had the pw... It was deleted by getting into the account, and then changing email... there were a total of 6 bands under that name and pw... the other 5 are still there, only NINH is gone... yes, he was kicked out a long time ago... but that doesnt mean he didnt lose the pw. It happened right after the karate studio... gee... kind of suspicious... I know it wasn't me. I know it wasn't Chad or Oliver... I trust them both with my life... however, I can't trust Ochs... I don't blame anyone for taking Ochs's side... if they've only heard the story from Ochs... I was his friend for awhile, I know he lies and manipulates the truth all the time... and I fell for it for a long long time... Sarah H. for instance... ugh... I took his side, listened to him on it... I should've realized then he was a mentally unstable. I really do think he has mental problems, and desperately needs help... I seriously don't understand why anyone however would try and make Oliver out to be the bad guy in any of this though... I can attest that he did try and be Ochs's friend, he listened to him, and tried to salvage the friendship... if anything, Ochs threw it away... Yeah, Oliver did have strong words in his post... but... at this point, I think it was called for... a lot of us should've told Ochs to get a grip a lot earlier... What I think is funny... is that some of you are making Ochs out to be the victim... like he didn't do some pretty stupid stupid stuff... he deleted the quotes... In my opinion, I know he deleted Nine Inch Nose Hairs... in the past i've given him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not deserving of that anymore... I believe that he is the only one who would get onto Oriana's screen name... having seen the buddy list... yeah... no one else would care... I want this to die as much as anyone else... I keep hoping I never see or hear from him again... in any form or fashion. I sure didn't ask that he delete the quotes page or NINH, or try to get on other peoples accounts... thats all his doing. Another thing worth mentioning... think Ochs isn't getting on other peoples accounts? Melissa, his sister IM'ed me one day, telling me to block two of her screen names, because Ochs had been getting on to see if we were getting on. She called Olivia to tell her to block the screen names as well... When Ochs found out about Melissa doing this, he got mad, and got in an argument with his mom, because now he couldnt check to see if we were on... sigh... want to prove that one? Go ask his parents. His stepdad also called me... warning me, that if Ochs were to come to my door, or try and speak to me somewhere, I should avoid him in any way I could... this is his family... not some bystander who hardly knows him... also... Ochs has the ability to get on AIM at work I believe? I've seen his sn on with an away message saying he was off doing something at work... gee... I sincerely doubt he's busy all the time, so that he can't get on an account for half a minute to do some spying... Ok... I think this comment has run its course... but... seriously, I think the only one to blame for any of this right now... is Ochs. (An old favorite quote of Ochs's... "What goes around comes around" if so, he's got a lot to look forward to (completely sarcastic)) |
| 22 - Brook Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) well...my earlier comment still holds...but now i am getting out some popcorn...these are funny...."hormone charged teenagers..." wow..that is good stuff...yay alex....cliche... |
| 21 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 oogaboogachocolatesuga (192.35.232.99 ) dude, we're in the process of hitting the bong. how else could me and sean be so apathetic to all this crap? hey i even hear oliver's cool sometimes. |
| 20 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 n/a (192.35.232.99 ) alrite, i'm sorry if it looks like i'm taking matt's side. fact is, i don't care about any of you, i just met matt like, 3 weeks ago, and i'm just annoyed at all the crap that shouldn't be happening in this happy happy world. well anyways, i just want to let you, olivia, that matt has held nothing back from us. and he tells us everything that happens as it happened. with exception to this AIM deal, i don't think he did that, or would do that, it's sophomoric and uncharacteristic of the matt i know. but of course you're probably going to say that i don't know matt all that well. so you tell me, do you think he would've done something like that? i can agree that matt probably does have a temper, i've never seen it first-hand but i hear about it. but besides him being angry for short amounts of time, i believe matt still wants to stay friends with you people. i mean, like 60% of the time matt opens his mouth he's telling me some story about what yall used to do together as friends... aw crap i'm getting all sappy. i hate being sappy. that's why this whole deal sounds so STUPID to me. man, you all sound like hormone super-charged teenagers. HA! alex "build a man a fire and he stays warm for a night... set a man on fire and he stays warm for life." |
| 19 - Brook Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (24.160.6.251 ) Ouch...all the hostility and foul language filling up a normally fun loving webpage is really getting me down...go smoke a bowl or something....but everyone really needs to chill out. |
| 18 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Sean, exactly, all your references are "according to Ochs" ... I don't know, I've been through things with Ochs and I have to tell you he isn't that truthful... especially when he lies to his girlfriend about only liking her while practically focusing most of his attention on some other girl. Ochs, if you're reading this, which I'm sure you do, don't you dare say this isn't true. I know things that you've said/done about Sarah Jane while we were dating, so dont' you dare try to lie to Sean and Alex (whoever he is) about it. But anyway, Sean is right... we really need to put an end to it. Well, Sean, since you're so caught up in ending it, talk to your little friend Ochs. |
| 17 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) NINH is open to debate, I *think* he did it, but I don't really care that much. He did, however, do "the stuff" to the quote page, that is without a doubt, true. Me treating him like crap? Whatever. |
| 16 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (192.35.232.99 ) Chad told us the truth oliver. I know all about you and the communist. JK. Look you guys are taking this like im mad or something. Far from it. But you also have to realize that your treating matt like crap and thats wrong. Alex hit it dead one when he said this was like a soap opera. Its pathetic man. All of you need to put it to rest. I commented on this board because you guys are accusing matt of things he didnt do. He doesnt have time to mess around on aim with someone else's name in the mornings, hes at work, messing with a perl script. You guys kicked him out of ninh months ago...even i remember this.... and according to him he hadnt even thought about that stupid ass band until you all accuse him of changing stuff for its page. Olivia... the only thing I accused your brother of was assuming matt does these things, which was way out of line. |
| 15 - Olivia 14 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Thank you. =) Why does everyone think I'll delete their comment? Not like I'm some soviet communist. ;) |
| 13 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Sorry, I had a mistake... I left a word out.. and it won't get the right point across unless I fix it: It upsets me very much that everybody is attacking Oliver and Matt. Um, hello? All they were were friends of Ochs that decided NOT to be his friend on account of me, basically. Why get mad at them? |
| 12 - Olivia Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (66.25.138.232 ) Okay... sorry Oliver, if you want to delete my comment, you can go ahead, but i can NOT hold back any longer. I've tried so hard, but I dunno, this whole thing is way out of hand now.. and it all started because of me (basically). I do not understand why, sean and alex, that you are putting all this blame on Oliver and Matt. Hello? Is Ochs not feeding you guys the right information? Oh.. wait.. of course not.. since.. you know.. you guys found all your info out from HIM.. most likely... not thinking that what he could be telling you guys might *not* be how it is or the whole story. Have you heard the whole story by chance? This whole mess started with me ending my relationship with Ochs. I had no idea it would turn into this whole mess. Personally, I wanted to have a nice friendship with Ochs afterwards, but... not anymore now. So, did you guys ever happen to hear how this whole thing blew up? Ever heard of Ochs losing his temper and control at my house when he was picking Oliver and me up for school? I bet not... See what you think of this. Ochs wanted to apologize for something he had said to one of my good friends and I was like, "Oh, okay, sure, he's trying to be nice". "Sit down, Olivia, I want to talk to you." "Oh, it's okay Ochs.. I think I'll stand right here.." "No, please, sit down next to me." "No.. I can hear you just find from right here." This went on for about 10 minutes, him asking me to sit down next to him and me refusing to because I thought that just standing 2 feet away from him was good enough, don't you? Not for him I suppose. He started cussing at me and ran out of the house telling me to find my own ride to school. I resisted and all the way to school, Ochs drove recklessly, running stop signs, speeding... not what I call a good habit. This sound familiar boys? Why dont' you ask your good friend Ochs... and see if this is true or not. If he denies, you know he's lying. I can't say I blame either of you totally.. for what you have written since you have been only told by one source what is going on. I have made the mistake many times of not finding out the story from both people. The only thing I totally blame you two are not finding out our view on things. Is Ochs that trustworthy to you two? Maybe so, but Sean, I know you know my brother... do you really think Oliver would go loopy like this? I dont think so. It upsets me very much that everybody is attacking Oliver and Matt. Um, hello? All they were were friends of Ochs that decided to be his friend on account of me, basically. Why get mad at them? They haven't done anything wrong. So stop bashing them... find out what they have to say first. Dont' go calling my brother a bad Christian for what he is doing. I believe my brother is doing the best thing he could do. I've heard Ochs claim he's a Christian. Can you claim he's being a good one? Did YOU hear about the karate incident? If you haven't, Ochs has, yet again, neglected to mention an important detail of this whole ordeal. I think it's my turn now, to explain one of the "accusations"... The AOL screen name. Alright.. tell me who else would get onto a 9 year old's (my sister) screen name... have enough time to try to guess her password... and sign on then off about almost every morning. Who else.. would block every single name that was on there except Minix's and mine. Another thing... I've had a new screen name for not *that* long, and I know that I got it AFTER my sister stopped using the sn "oreockkie6". So my new sn was NOT on my sister's buddy list. But, WALLA! It suddenly appears on Oreockkie6's buddy list! How did that happen? None of us has done it. And it's definetly not my sister signing on and off Oreockkie6.. usually when that sn signs on.. Oriana's computer is turned off and she is most likely IN MY ROOM. Hm.. I wonder who would block everybody's screen name except my *new* name and Minix's, who Ochs seems to have developed an great "dislike" for since Minix is one of my best friends. Think about it boys. I don't want to sound mean or anything of the sort here... but.. Sean.. Alex.. maybe you two need to come talk to the other side before judging us. Alright.. I think this post is long enough.. sorry my writing is sloppy and not well thought of... I wont' hide that I am mad. Like Oliver said.. I'd really like to end this whole mess.. and I thought we had all moved on a long time ago... but seems like Ochs hasn't. |
| 11 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Ah, misread the second part of your comment. Yes, I think he did delete the NINH site. I haven't said anything about AIM though, I don't know about that. Minix and I aren't the same person, so it'd be nice if you specifed who you were referring to. Now I'm the one who's stabbing a friend in the back? Give me a break. Arguing with you, Sean, isn't going to get anything done. If Matt wants to talk, fine. Just keep in mind that you may not know the whole story. Wierd how Ochs' obsession with my sister has somehow gotten twisted to becoming me stabbing my friend in the back, don't you think? I have no hard feelings, I'd like this to end now. People who haven't actually been a part of this whole mess really can't come in here and accuse me of causing all this, especially if they've only seen/heard one perspective. |
| 10 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 this_is_now_spam@more_spam.net (192.35.232.99 ) wow look my ip is the same as sean's! |
| 9 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (192.35.232.99 ) i think you overused the sparkle brush. sux0rs to your photoshop skillz f00li0!!! GET 6.0!!! |
| 8 - alex Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (192.35.232.99 ) read your msg board. sean is kinda smart. maybe you should listen to him. |
| 7 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 N/A (192.35.232.99 ) youve done neither? you just said that you think he deleted your account for the ninh web page, and minix just accused him of using someone else's aim name, which he hasnt done. You guys are just blaming him for everything. But i mean i guess thats how it is with you oliver. You can be friends with someone for a long time and then just stab them in the back and start accusing them of stuff with absolutely no proof at all. |
| 6 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) I've done neither, but I'd make sure you knew exactly what was going on before you go around telling us what Matt did and did not do. |
| 5 - sean Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (192.35.232.99 ) Using yalls names: Matt is not doing anything to someone's aim name so stop just accusing him out of the blue. ALso you guys kicked him out of that ninh band like 9 months ago so dont blame him for that either. |
| 4 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) "Way to kick a guy while hes down." Hello? I'm sorry, but it's not like I did this out of the blue... "neither one of you can suck it up and try to work it out with the other one" I've/We've tried... I'm sorry... all I got were lies and vague answers that dodged the questions I asked. "I really get a feeling that neither one of you knows what the other one means or what actually went on wioth the whole thing." Perhaps the problem is that people think I know less than I really do, and that they think they know more. "Oliver you talk about being a good christian, but then you won't even talk to him." I have my flaws, I'm not perfect. However, after a majority of the past incidents, I was never asked to talk with him. I would be willing to, but if I did, I'd like the truth and actions to back it up. I never, ever, said anything about not being willing to talk. "And this accusing him of using yalls names is bullshit." Alright, if you're referring to "knew my password" and the posting of the quote under my name... that was the only way possible Ochs could have done anything to the page. I have the page before I uploaded my back-up and can send it to you and/or a screenshot if you would like. He used my name... not that that's a huge thing in itself, but he did. Don't call me a liar without proof to back it up. "Your going out of your way to be an asshole." By doing what? Finally expressing the way I really feel about his actions? Telling the truth? I never made anything up, again, don't call me a liar. "Talk to matt and explain where you are coming from and let him do the same." I'm open, although at this point, an email conversation would probably be best. But I don't think I really have much explaining to do. "This whole ordeal is pathetic, all of you involved." I agree, but Sean... perhaps you and I need to talk, have you only talked with Ochs? |
| 3 - Oliver Tuesday, July 10, 2001 [email protected] (IP Hidden ) Alright... sigh... 1. Make sure you know the whole "story" first and from both perspectives. 2. As Minix said, Ochs not only put up a quote, but deleted all the others. I'm sorry, but I took that as a personal attack and insult. 3. I have NEVER... NEVER intentionally hurt Ochs in the past and have tried talking to him on multiple occasions. If in fact, I did hurt him, I'm sorry. I've tried to be as neutral as I can throughout this whole ordeal, do you know how hard it is to be torn between a former best friend and family? I'm sorry, but I've been hurt by Ochs multiple times in the past and throughout many of them, I've tried to be kind and talk. I recommended against the whole relationship (Ochs+Olivia) from the beginning and talked to Ochs a few times about it, everytime I was basically ignored. A few months ago, we talked and I asked him how he felt about Olivia. I told him that if he still thought he "loved" her and was still persuing her, that there wasn't any chance of our friendship repairing itself. He told he "he wasn't sure how he felt"... yet later, multiple times, he's told other people that he "loved" her and realized how much he "cared for her." I didn't do anything then, but that hurt. 4. I'm not totally blaming Ochs. The blame is not entirely on him, and I believe that other people were unjust and unfair towards him. I do, however, believe that this has gone too far because of his actions. He needs to let go. I've never gotten angry at him and the times we've talked about our friendship, I've tried to be kind. After NINH was deleted and the "karate incident", I decided that Ochs' ability to edit pages on OliverWEB should be deleted. For my site's "protection" and because... well, quite frankly, our friendship was dead... it was bound to happen sooner or later. Perhaps Ochs took it as an attack on him, I'm sorry if he did. Attacking me personally was the last straw and I got angry. He insulted me on the internet, so I did the same. 5. Yes, my "letter" was pretty much a lot of cut-downs. I think Ochs needs to hear it. I, for one, have had enough of his crying and tears and "I'm sorry". "I'm sorry" doesn't mean anything when the actions don't follow. The latter half of my "letter", there was a shift (if small, it's still there). If my message was skewed and not clear enough, here is what I want to say: "Ochs, I think your mind is clouded right now. Our friendship is gone in the sense that enjoying time with each other is nonexistent. I still care, and I didn't mean to convey the message that I hate you or anything like that. I think you're beyond the help I can give and need to work things through mentally within yourself right now." I'm going to post this and respond to a few or your lines... |
| 2 - Minix Monday, July 9, 2001 N/A (24.28.87.45 ) Hey, finally a comment! I'm going to try and approach this with good humor =) Because you've probably not been informed of a lot of stuff... I think Im going to explain some... then maybe you'll understand a little bit more 1st... Ochs didnt just put a quote on the quote page, but deleted a lot... yeah, not a big deal... lets go further =) 2nd... You mightve heard of Nine Inch Nose Hairs... Ochs deleted all that stuff off the internet, and changed the account email address to another one, so that none of us could get in... a lot of my stuff is up on these accounts. 3rd... maybe not last, even though it was last in the comment... but Im curious... I dont remember ever ever claiming Ochs threatened me... what the heck? I would have to say I am with Oliver... you reach a point, where dealing with someone becomes too big a hassle... you hope they get better, but it rips at you too much to deal with it... and its not a matter of being a christian either... I view what Olivers doing as being very christian... theres a song by DC Talk, called "It's Killing Me" I view that as similar to this... 4th, something I gotta mention that Ochs did that was retarded... he's been getting on Orianas screen name... doesnt this seem illegal... or atleast incredibly childish? Olivia got on the other day to change pw... couldn't, but on the list, all names were blocked but two, mine and hers... lala... stupid stupid... Not to be a jerk or anything, maybe I am... but... I never want a friendship with Ochs again... thats just speaking for myself... I want him to be ok... get over everything, and live a happy productive life... but... I dont want to be a part of it... lala... Oliver... if you disagree with me posting this, feel free to delete it... I can email it to him. |
| 1 - Sean Monday, July 9, 2001 [email protected] (216.30.71.6 ) You know what oliver. Bravo man. Way to kick a guy while hes down. I mean he puts up a quote on your web page and you be the pussy that you are and insult him on the internet. You and Matt are friends for years, and neither one of you can suck it up and try to work it out with the other one. Forget olivia and minix and all them. Forget all that outside crap. I really get a feeling that neither one of you knows what the other one means or what actually went on wioth the whole thing. Oliver you talk about being a good christian, but then you won't even talk to him. And this accusing him of using yalls names is bullshit. Your going out of your way to be an asshole. Now suck it up and be a man. Talk to matt and explain where you are coming from and let him do the same. Matt: you and olivia broke up a long time ago, minix is your friend, So make up with him too while your at it. This whole ordeal is pathetic, all of you involved. And minix you know matt didnt threaten you so fuck off. |